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In 2018 I got pregnant for the first time. Isaac and I had only been dating for 2 months and the news struck me much harder than I could have imagined. I always thought that if I ever got pregnant before I was ready, an abortion would be an easy choice. Something that wouldn’t affect me that much. But when it actually happened, it was a completely other story. Knowing that I had a baby growing inside of me what unlike anything I had ever experienced. Also the knowing that Isaac and I made this little being, and what I believe a little being that chose us, made my decision feel so complicated. I had a friend say to me, either choice there will be suffering and either choice their will be joy, it’s about which choice feels like it yours to make right now. That pregnancy ended up ending in a miscarriage, which there will be an entirely other episode about, which I shared publicly. It was a miscarriage that I was planning to abort, so it often feels like my body had an abortion for me. The first friend to reach out to me was Denell, today’s guest. She shared with me such helpful words and support and also shared her personal journey with abortion. 


A year later, I got pregnant again. Finding out on the burning man playa with a pregnancy test we had a friend bring in. I spent 17 days in that desert. Swirled in confusion about what it was we were going to do. This time the decision wasn’t as clear and there were many moments where we decided we were going to keep them. 

Eventually when we got home I decided to have a medical abortion. Where I took pills to induce termination. It was one of the most painful and hard experiences I have ever gone through. And the process certainly didn’t end when the pregnancy did. I am still in process and last month marked when I would have given birth. 


I wanted to bring Denell on to share her experiences with abortion and her wisdom on women’s health. The complexity and emotional experience of abortion is often not talked about. We have such a narrow view of what abortion is and who it is for and why we do it. I wanted to have an episode that normalizes ALL experiences of terminating a pregnancy and to empower women around choice and fertility. I knew Denell was who I wanted to have on to talk about how to feel abortion. She is so knowledgeable and empowering in all matters of health and wellness, especially women's health. She is also such an awesome person. 

In this episode we talk about...


  • Denell's personal experience with abortion

  • Ritual as a way to grieve and process 

  • Why there is no one set way to feel an abortion

  • The difference between medical, surgical, and herbal abortions

  • The initiation of choosing to end a pregnancy

  • The body's emotional, physical, and spiritual recovery after a abortion

  • Societies skewed relationship with abortion

  • A ton more! 

Denell Barbara Nawrocki, MA is a guide, speaker, and teacher specializing in Women's wellness and Earth-based health. She believes in the body's ability to heal, and guides Women to connect to their body and find empowerment on self-healing path.
Since 2008, Denell has done extensive study in the fields of health, healing, personal transformation, indigenous wisdom, plant medicine and history. All of this culminates in her mission to lead people to be in loving relationship with their body and Earth's body. She received her MA in Integrative Health Studies from California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS), and a BA in History from UC Davis

Utilizing all she studied, Denell self-healed 7 years of HPV and cervical dysplasia diagnoses and have retained a clear bill of health ever since. In 2016, Denell founded Cervical Wellness, an online-education platform guiding Women to self-heal their cervix, as well as reconnect to their female sacred-anatomy in new and empowering ways.

She offers online courses & events, in-person workshops & retreats, as well as sharing illuminating content in public talks, and on Instagram & Youtube. You can find out more about her work at

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